I just bought a 9 foot Saunier-Wilhelm table for 400 bucks...The guy I bought it from was advertising it as a brunswick (does have a similar look to an anniversary or a gold crown)but upon inspection I figured out it was made by saunier-wilhelm, I drove a ways to go look at it and I played a few games on the table and it seemed pretty solid and played well so I bought it..I would date it 1969-1970, (has a sticker on the frame that says "built to BCA standards 1969-1970), and it's got 1 inch slate in great condition, rails/bumpers were good and other than a few minor cosmetic issues seemed like a good deal.....I haven't been able to find much on the net about these tables....anyone know anything about them?....did I get a decent deal on it?....thanks.
I always say that if one is satisfied from the product one bought it was worth the price. I haven't found any specifics about the table you mention but from general 'knowledge' I think you made a pretty good deal
Right on, I agree with you on that, I played on it and liked it and will play many many more games on it, from what I've gathered they seem like solid tables, I'm just kinda curious as to the history/era of the table,I haven't found much info on saunier-wilhelm post 1950's I know it was used in a tournament (it was table # 12) and auctioned off afterward and it is a beast....
I have a Saunier Whilhelm Table. I purchased a house and the owners ledt the table. Very nice Table, from around the early 1970's. 1 inch slate. I too have been looking for info on the web about these tables, and have found nothing. I do know that the table came from the Saunier Company out of Pittsburgh, PA. They used to have a business/store there, but no longer.
I am curious to see what your table looks like, to compare it to mine. If you could send me a fews pics via email, I would appreciate it greatly. And I will certainly do the same if you like.
The company is/was based out of Alabama and I think recently went out of business in the last couple of years. I live in Pittsburgh, and the local store closed a few years ago. I bought my first new table from them.
I just bought 2 antique 9ft SW tables for $200 that are in repairable condition - tables are together, no missing hardware except for a nameplate, broken irons and needs a full strip (including paint) and refinish.
They are good solid tables and SW 'borrowed' a lot of their designs from Brunswick. I too am looking for more information on these tables and there just doesn't seem to be much out there. I'm also looking for a nameplate for one too.
I have a friend who worked for them for 25 years and I should be getting some more info from him and will pass it along.
Saunier wilhelm was located in Center Pointe, a suburb of Birmingham. I purchased all my equipment from them until 1997. They went out of business much to my dismay. Every product they sold was excellent as well as their tables.
I ran across this guy who used to work there. He rebuilds tables in Pittsburg.
His e-mail address is:www.dlschwarz.com/
I worked for saunier wilhem company in pittsburgh before it closed. You got a good dreal for what you bought. It was made in pittsburgh,pa in the 1970's. At the time it was built, it was compared to a higher level brunswick table. It should be a solid wood frame with italian 1 inch slate. Those tables were built to last! There are 2 stores left in the company. 1 is in north carolina and the other is in birmingham alabama.
I got a saunier wilhem table with a serial number of Z655MT is there anything u can tell me about it. Thank you
In my opinion, you got a great deal! My dad purchased a 1953 "Salem" 9x4.5 table directly from Mr. Wilhem himself in 1993 from the Pittsburgh store on 5th avenue. (...one of my best childhood memories!)
The completely refurbished table, set of balls, 4 sticks, bridge, brush, cover, table spots, chalk, delivery, and installation was $1350 in 1993. I remember Mr. Wilhem (he had to be in his late 70s) went back into room in what used to be the manufacturing facility to get the original literature on the "Salem" model. (We still have it tucked up under the table...It was yellowed then. And, it is really yellowed now!)
I have to tell this story... My dad didn't want a new particle board table for $2000. He wanted a "real" table that was solid in construction. Mr. Wilhem listened to him complaining, shook his head, and told us to follow him up to the 3rd floor of the building. He staggered up the stairs and took us all the way to the back of what looked like an old deserted factory. In the back of the room under a piece of plastic, Mr. Wilhem revealed a table that made my 50+ year old father flash back to his youth. Like a kid in a candy store, my father ran over to the table. Giddy with excitement, he told Mr. Wilhem that he played on the same table when he was in high school at a local pool hall. That was when Mr. Wilhem told us that he designed this table himself. he also told us that he sold the design to another company in Florida.
As awesome as this story already is...When I was working at Disney World in 1999, I bumped into a guy who was an avid 9-ball player. Somehow we got on the subject of pool tables. It turns out that he knew the owner of Robertson Billiards, the company that purchased the table design. At the time, Robertson was manufacturing the table as the "Black Max." (Jet Black with chrome.) I think this guy was even more excited than my father that we had the original black max from the 1950s.
Anyway, I have played on Brunswick Centennial and Anniversary tables. They play exactly the way my father's Saunier Wilhem Salem table plays. Our refinished table could fool anyone who didn't know the difference between the two tables. One pool table collector actually was convinced that it was a Brunswick model with a Saunier Wilhem badge!
Enjoy that table, and the history that goes along with it. They truly don't make tables like that anymore.
Where in North Carolina?
Yes,Don I would like to know where in North Carolina? I have had a Saunier-Wilhelm table for the last 16 years. Had it professionally moved with its slate and everything. I am going to be moving again and want to get rid of it.Want to find out its worth. Let me know if you hear anything.
Saunier-Wilhelm is in Greensboro,NC @ 2707 S.Elm Eugene St. ph <phone>
In the late 60's all table production was moved to Greensboro location to get away from union wages in Pittsburgh. Birmingham ceased production in early 60's.
They do still make them like that. You might try A.E. Schmidt Billiards in St. Louis. They have been in business since 1850 and still manufacture tables in the US, the old way. You can see their tables at Dave and Busters in major US cities.
I bought what I thought was a Saunier-Wilhelm table, I was having the irons redone and came to find out it was a Brunswick.
Apparently, at some point Saunier-Wilhelm wasn't selling many tables so they started taking tables in on trade, refinishing them, and re-branding them.
It turned out my $300 Saunier-Wilhelm table was an 80 year old Brunswick.